... ah, my brain's rambling again, round and round. Think I should dump that stuff to /dev/null but here it goes for you to pick at:

I'd find it quite funny, if Jack 'n' Tawl show up in the Sword of Shadows series to help Raif beating the crap out of them Endlords. Ha, that'd be a cool trio!

NO, I don't think this gonna happen, but I'd be glad to see at least Jack appearing somewhere ... especially near the end of the Series. To kinda conclude it. IN the Beginning, Baralis is there. At the End, Jack comes along.

Oh, well. Just my brain rumbling and bubbling in its own sap.

If speculation about Jack being Ash's father is correct, then there's a very real possibility *something* will be revealed in the series.

It would be awesome hey. Jack and Raif, blasting the crap out of blind creatures, and anyone who dared stand against their power! Ahem. But them together would be cool.

Tawl. Reminds me of something I missed until my just-now read through. One of the first Iss povs, he remembers when he took over the Spire. Apart from caning the Grange Lords, he drove out the Knights from around there.

I wonder whether Tawl could already have been in the story.

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Ya, but are the Foresworn knights and the Knights of Valdis the same guys? I'm not so sure about that.

I'm glad you pointed that out Ms. Maggie. I'd been wondering that too and what were the Knights in the Book of Words? I can't remember now, were they the Forsworn Knights too?

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I don't think they are. We can't assume that there is just one Knightly brotherhood in this world. I think the Knights of Valdis were the type of guys that went on their individual epic quests and then went off to wright wrongs and rescue damsels in distress. The Forsworn knights seem to have a group purpose of some kind, much more unified.

Hmmm, I'm confused. I thought Tawl _was_ a Forsworn Knight. My bad memory, it's been a long time since I read the Book of Words.

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Gah. I've already written this once, but the LOLcats thought it was cheesburgerz and ated it. Lessee if I can remember what I wrote the first time...

Nothing On Jack: Jack is a very common name, I bet. There is a Jack mentioned in SoS already. Sort of. Drover Jack's, about a day's ride from the Lok stead. Jack don't own it though. Gwillem "Gull" Moler, who has been there for thirty years, owns it. And's where the Maiden worked trying to get a location on the Lok place. Since Moler's been there thirty years though, it's probably not the same Jack. But nobody knows who Jack's daddy is, either.

On the Knights: Tawl was a Knight of Valdis. After he killed "Greased Duck" Bevlin and then agreed to be the Duke of Bren's man he became forsworn. He tried to destroy his knights' circles tattoo/brand thing and had a rag tied around it during his fights in Bren. Does this make him a Forsworn Knight? They were the (very dead) ones Raif stumbled across, right? Maybe they're the Maimed Men of the Knights - outcasts of their order instead of society in general. They, I think, were definately fighting the Endlords and things from the Blind (maybe to atone for thier forsworn-ness?).

So now let's count who is all against the Endlords along with Raif and his fancy new sword.

Ash & the Sull
The Forsworn Knights
The Maimed Men
Saladuk and his Ice People
The Phage
The Dog Lord & the bits of Bludd he controls
The Lamb Brothers
Clan Grey?
Baralis?

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polijn:

Nice work. And nice list.

The forsworn are definitely a known entity, because they _were_ situated somewhere around Spire Vanis (in another post) due to Iss's remembering pushing them from the Spire.

So they were a known entity in the North, and they had some power.

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You have to remember that in the Four Kingdoms at any rate Jack was NOT a common name. It may have been elsewhere, but Jack mentions at one point that he had an odd name.

Also, as I am currently reading A Man Betrayed, I recall Jack remembering that his real name isn't Jack, just like his mother's real name wasn't Lucy. I think...

@poljin: Isn't Lesketh Jacks father? I remember a kind of revelation in "Master and Fool"? You know, that letter of his Mom Crope has kept for him.

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Jack's father was the king of the Four Kingdoms. I do not remember the king's name but he is dead.

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@poljin: Isn't Lesketh Jacks father? I remember a kind of revelation in "Master and Fool"? You know, that letter of his Mom Crope has kept for him.

Yeah, I just finished re-reading "Master and Fool" -- literally about an hour ago. King Lesketh was Jack's father's name.

And I, for one, believe that Tarissa was carrying Jack's child.

Now I havent read the book that the character Tawl comes from, but Polijin mentioned that in the book Tawl tried to destroy a circular brand/tattoo on his arm.

In the first book of the Sword of Shadows, Raif is drawing a guidecircle for the slain at the camp at the very start of the book, he has a flashback and remembers Tem telling him about the Forsworn Knights and how they DREW guidecircles on their body.

I was re-reading the first 2 books and just remembered it in the back of my mind, and it hit me when Polijin made his post.