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I am not sure about Ash being part Sull, I not saying its not true I just have doubts, primarily due to the fact that Mal and Ark had to drain her blood and give her fresh Sull blood, which indirectly indicate to me that she had no Sull in her bloodlines, or it could mean she was like a trenchlander and needed purification.

One time I asked JVJ point blank in an email if Ash was Jack and Tarissa's daughter and she told me that she couldnt tell me that, but that there were red herrings in place, so with that comment in mind I think it is possible that we have some surprises in store for us. The boots could have been Angus's (he seems quite familiar with that gate), the babe could have been Raif, or possibly Bram Cormac, both are of the right age.

In regards to predictions I think that the Unmade will find a way past the blindwall and begin their conquest.

Im fairly sure Ash is the baby, and the person who found her is iss while he was still proctor general, i would be intrested in any solid info from the books that contradicts this though, does anyone hav a pg. # perhaps?

Yes dont forget about Tarissa and Jack. Ash has to be their child. I'm pretty certain. Even though JVJ doesnt come right out and say it, she makes it pretty clear.

Remember when Lan was about to have Ash slayed right outside the 13 wells? She almost took everyone to hell when the voices where telling her to reach. Mal came just in time and saved her without her using her powers. Maybe she will have to use her powers again and put another hole in the Blind. As far as we know Mal is the only Sull that knows and trusts her and will not kill her.

I think we discussed in depth in another thread about Ash's birth and that the consensus was that she was Jack and Tarissa's kid. I think that she has magic, but it is not Sull magic. Her being Sull I think is more of a state of mind rather than actually using Sull magic - her magic is older, Reach magic.

I think that we'll find out more about the Sull and that there will be some prophecy about the Raven King (ie Raif) and the Reach fighting together and that when this occurs, they will win but all the Sull will die in the fight. And probably the Sull think if they kill Ash before this happens they won't die, but I think people like Mal know that if they kill Ash, they will all become unmade.

Bear, + in Sword From Red Ice we now know some Sull think Ash is worth more dead than alive thanks to Lan. They can use her blood, hair, teeth, skin, anything to destroy the Unmade without having to heart kill them. Interesting twist.

Back up there.... Ash's ancestry would have to be tied up to the Book of Words. Her mother is named Tarissa, also the name of Jack's first lover. Ash is born shortly after Baralis is captured by Iss (or before, but it's around the same time).

!!!!SPOILER!!!! If you have not read Book of words, don't read this!!!!




ok. I warned you



Jack left Tarissa to help Melli and Tawl overthrow Kylock and Baralis. Given the time it takes to win a war and for Crope and Baralis to escape over the mountains to the north of Bren (which is visible in the SOS map), this would probably have taken 9 months. It is, therefore, very very very likely that Ash is the daughter of half-brother and sister, offspring of King Lesketh.

However, the similarities between Jack and Tarissa (hazel eyes, chestnut locks) seem not to have been inherited by Ash. This is curious as Angus and Darra seem to recognise her. I'd love to find out what the link might be between them and her mother.

If Jack is her father, it would explain a great deal about her power. His power was prophesied as being one that would destroy Larn, making him one of the most potent sorcerers to live. We don't know much about his mother, other than that she was born on the island to a crippled servant. I can't remember her father being mentioned, but he might have been a priest at the temple. But her colouring was also dark, as was Magra's, Ash's other potential grandmother.

So, if my assumptions of Ash's ancestry are correct, she would not be clannish. Nor would she be Sull, as other than her changed eyes, she is "not of Sull blood" and does not share their physical characteristics.

But I digress....

oops. Must learn to read to the end of a thread before posting, as I've just rehashed what others have already pointed out...

quixoticfruit wrote:oops. Must learn to read to the end of a thread before posting, as I've just rehashed what others have already pointed out...

Hahaha. I do the same thing. You took it to way further detail than we did.

quixoticfruit wrote:oops. Must learn to read to the end of a thread before posting, as I've just rehashed what others have already pointed out...

I thought it was nicely summarised none-the-less.

I still like to think of Ash as a Sull princess. I know I am wrong but I like the thought.

Anyone here thinks Ash and Raif will ever see each other again? Or are they forever doomed to go their seperate paths? Because I felt bad for Raif in the 3rd book coz he seriously loves Ash who doesnt care for him at all. Why does Raif have to be the one to carry all the burdens and sadness when all Ash was doing was screwing around and having fun? It is just unfair that one guy has to carry all that burden alone. I would really like to see Raif confess to Ash

dark mage wrote:I would really like to see Raif confess to Ash

That would require him to have feelings towards her at all. And to be still able to feel anything when they next meet. And meet they will, I am sure, for they seem to become the greatest fighters against the Endlords.

Your burden-complaint again. Cope. He is the tragic hero of the series. He is Watcher of the Dead. Do you really expect a happy end for him?

Nope. Hope is eternal though. But no wont happen.

Only prediction I am willing to make that wont make me face the fact of a most likely martyrish sacrificial ending is a Star Wars moment.

????: Raif and/or Ash, I am your father and/or mother.

Raif and/or Ash: THATS NOT TRUE THATS IMPOSSIBLE!

etc. etc.

Edit: Before anyone says anything about the father AND/or mother part. Hey were talking bout magic here, u never know

87) Effie meets the Dog Lord and gives her version of events on the Bluddroad

628) Vaylo kills Quarro, and/or Pengo

1111) Mace Blackhail comes to sticky end... like is destroyed by the Shankshounds, but Blackhail is lost forever.

12) We discover that the other clansman Marafice has captured is one of the Shank sons

786) We discover that Stillborn's mother was Yelma Scarpe

67) Ash meets The One Who Leads

567) Cassy meets Bram... somewhere?

864) Cluff Drybannock is killed by the unmade

674) Vaylo Bludd becomes a member of the Phage, but remains a clan chief

56) Marafice Eye murders Roland Stornaway and perhaps his wife's child as well.

009) Marafice Eye discovers that Drey is related to Raif, the 'clansman' to him who caused so many of the Watch brother's deaths back when they were still trying to find Asarhia.

899) Raif returns to the Rift but hands over ruling to Stillborn

80) Addie Gunn murders Thomas Argola

065) The lamb brothers are seen again

976) Lan Fallstar comes under the revenge of Raif

9752) Raif and Ash meet up

9) Baralis or Crope meets Drey Sevrance and together they escape Spire Vanis

00)Effie's toe gets frostbite and has to be amputated

98) Aaron goes with Gangaric

906) The Wolf Dog stays with Cluff Drybannock OR dies defending Vaylo from... something.

98) Ash returns to the clanholds
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WHO COULD POSSIBLY GUESS??? That's why i love JV.

1) Clan Grey is revealed as the keeper of lore about the Endlords and collector of clansmen with powers and will foster Effie into her own considerable talents.
2) Ash and Ark will go to the Heart Fires of the Sull and be given a mission to return to the Rift.
3) Raif and the Maimed Men will go to the Rift as well to fight the Unmade.
4) Mace, Robbie Dun Doone and Vaylo Bludd will have a confrontation and Vaylo and the Wolf Dog will kill Mace in revenge for the Bluddroad Massacre. Then Vaylo will die (sob).
5) Reina will lead Blackhail as Chief
6) Angus and Cassie will meet and join forces in the Phage and Bram Cormac will be there in a mission to the Rift.
7) Baralis will become a willing assistant to Marafice Eye.